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Outages in DC?  Get Used To It!

4/8/2015

9 Comments

 
Drama, drama, drama.  I'm pretty sure the media over-dramatized the outages in DC yesterday.  Maybe not a bad thing to raise awareness, but they've missed the real message.

OMG - like this outage affected IMPORTANT people doing IMPORTANT things!  Like Pepco is sooooooo bad!

This article covers the basics, and with a few additional details from WaPo's more dramatic version, here's the story:

A hot 230-kV transmission line (conductor) just randomly fell off its tower in Southern Maryland.  No storm.  No damage.  It just broke for no apparent reason.  Live, uninsulated transmission line on the ground started a grass fire.  Lucky it didn't fall on any people, vehicles, etc. that happened to be in the right-of-way at that time.  The fault caused a bunch of other lines and generators to trip offline in self-defense against resulting voltage swings.  And the lights went out many miles away in Washington, D.C.

So, no big deal, faults happen.  But the grid is supposed to be designed so that other lines instantly spring to life and take the load of the one out of service and the fault ends up being nothing more than a barely-noticed blip.  But that didn't happen, it started to cascade to other lines and generators.  Comparison was made to the 2003 northeast blackout, when a fault on a transmission line in Ohio cascaded into a regional blackout.  The concept is quite the same, but the effect not as far-reaching.  Do you suppose we'll need a multi-million dollar government task force to examine the incident?


What's the real problem here?

Lack of maintenance and upgrades to existing transmission lines.  The industry is so busy chasing the big profits that come from building NEW transmission that they aren't investing their money in maintaining the assets already in service.  Perhaps our federal regulatory agencies need to start encouraging maintenance and rebuilds of aging lines with financial incentives?

And then there's the problem of parasites like DC that have no generation of their own and depend on transmission lines from distant generators.  The more transmission lines we build, and the more centralized the system that supplies electricity, the bigger this problem becomes.

Stop it.  Stupid.

Distributed generation and less transmission lines = reliability.

9 Comments
Captain Trips
4/10/2015 12:22:10 am

So, exactly what kind of distributed generation are you proposing?

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DG Queen
4/10/2015 01:48:34 am

Hmm, let's see ...

How about a blend of homeowner and small business solar and other renewables, microgrids for neighborhoods, subdivisions and small communities, investment in storage research, and investment in repairing and upgrading EXISTING transmission and distribution? Given this administration's admirable dedication to cutting carbon emissions, how about starting to phase out subsidies to fossil fuel industries and introducing subsidies to TAXPAYERS to encourage their shift toward energy (semi-)independence?

I stress "existing" because excuse me, transmission towers AREN'T supposed to just FALL OVER!

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Keryn
4/10/2015 02:30:45 am

To add to what the Queen said... how about doing away with corporate energy subsidies of all kinds, including those for "renewable" energy? Big wind needs to stand on its own two feet.

And since we know that it's possible for old conductor to simply fail for no reason... heads's up, everyone!

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Captain Trips
4/10/2015 03:20:32 am

Ok, so you mentioned solar and the not yet existent storage technology, and then the nebulous "renewables", or as I like to call them "intermittents". What is going to give you power at night? or on cloudy days? or when the wind doesn't blow? And what about in cities where rooftop solar is limited?

And please explain microgrids? Is this A. NEW transmission, or B. re-using existing transmission lines?

If A, I thought you are against new transmission
If B, existing lines?, then hey, we've already GOT microgrids!

Also microgrids do not produce power. I asked about generation options.


So, again I ask: Exactly what kind of distributed generation are you proposing?

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Keryn link
4/10/2015 03:27:46 am

A microgrid has its own local generation source and distribution network. It can also be a part of the larger grid system most of the time, however, it has the ability to island itself when the larger grid is in trouble. A micro grid can therefore continue to supply power to its own network when the larger grid fails. It may be emergency power only, but when the weather is extreme and you've been without power for days, it's a handy dandy tool to power emergency services, essential services like hospitals, community shelters, etc.

Even the U.S. military is adopting micro grid technologies at their bases, because they don't want to be powerless when the larger grid fails.

Click my name for link to explanation of micro grids.

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Keryn
4/10/2015 03:32:08 am

And, regarding your arguments about what happens when the sun goes down, etc. -- I've never advocated for a 100% renewables energy future. I don't think that is able to be accomplished right now and it's going to take significant technology advances to get there. Like fuel cells that run on hot air and power company bullshit (I sure wish someone would invent that!). Microgrids don't have to be dependent on renewables. A micro grid can run on any source of generation, just that said source is small. I don't think there's anything like a mini-coal fired power plant though. :-( Gas can be scaled down for micro grid technology. Isn't there something about mini-nukes going around?

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Captain Trips
4/10/2015 03:50:19 am

OK. So you started to answer for the DG Queen. I was hoping that he would answer my (bait) question.

Yes, SMR's (Small Modular Reactors) are in the (really expensive right now) under development category. And like cost effective storage technology, still years away from widespread adoption.

Ok, so you mentioned gas that can be scaled down. Good one! Now, repeat after me: Hooray for fracking!


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Keryn
4/10/2015 05:39:04 am

Boo Hiss on fracking, at least the way they're doing it now.

Which part was the bait question?

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Subsidies R Us
4/12/2015 10:05:38 am

Check out the subsidies graph in this article http://www.newsweek.com/whats-true-cost-wind-power-321480 No surprise who gets the most subsidies.

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